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ICH BIN ICH
Stella, oh, Stella 
Diese kleine Video Geschichte hat mir sehr gefallen. Noch heute Abend werde ich den Film meiner Frau auf dem großen Fernsehschirm vorführen. Ich wünsche dir und deinem Mann auch eine angenehme Woche.
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Danke, Peter, das freut mich sehr. Ich fand den auch sehr schön. Leider gibt es so viel merkwürdige Filme, es wird immer schwieriger, etwas richtig Schönes und Aufbauendes zu finden.
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Very nice video. Coincidentally I was just chatting with a friend about magic shepherds in Northern European traditions, like the Welsh Custennin or pan-Germanic Odin. Lol 🤪I’m a dweeb!
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I never knew that Odin was known as a shepherd. I know of Thor’s magic goats though.
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Whoa I never considered Thorr’s goats!Not to bore you, but here’s my thoughts on the magic magic shepherd: In the 8th/9th c Irish Voyage of Saint Brendan the Saint comes across an isle of sheep guarded by a dark demon shepherd. This reminds one of the Welsh Arthurian tale Culhwch ac Olwen, when Arthur & co. come across a huge dark shepherd surrounded by sheep. The shepherd uses curious archaic language while making allusions to the sea. A similar figure is found in Germanic; there are legendary tales [like Þiðreks saga] of heroes who come across solitary farmers who, though intimidating at first, prove helpful. The farmer is revealed to be Odin in disguise. I’m still investigating.
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That’s interesting, I never heard about that. If you find something, please tell me. I am a bit more interested in the Nordic mythology now that I live in Denmark. If one did that in Germany, one could risk to be called a Nazi.
It is interesting to see, how similar the Nordic gods are in comparison with the Roman and Greek gods, also with their hierarchy. And still, there are different aspects like Ygdrasil and the nornes and others.
Even more interesting is that the Finns have a completely different mythology, unfortunately not very good documented. They don’t have gods in forms similar to humans, the powers are incorporated in animals, the highest powers in birds, swan, eagly and owl. Bored? 😉
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That’s odd, a lot of the best academic research about this stuff comes from Germany! No I’m not bored lol I’d love to hear your thoughts on Germanic/Italic mythology!!!
I was discussing the Germanic god Heimdallr with my rl friend. In particular we were chatting about the enigmatic references to his birth “from nine mothers, from nine sisters.” Jackson Crawford, professor of Old Norse Icelandic texts, in one of his YouTube lectures, discusses this strange circumstance, even jokingly enquiring, “Do they give birth to different parts and assemble them later?” Theories about the identity of Heimdallr’s nine mothers have ranged from the 9 wave daughters of the sea deity Ægir, to ancient Celtic influence from Roman accounts of Breton priestesses, 9 in number, that were thought to dwell on the Isle of Sein, and had magic powers over sea waves and shape shifting. Welsh specialist William Sayers notes Taliesinic poetry referencing a birth “from the water of the ninth wave”, but the poetry is obscure and Sayers is critical of any Celtic connection to Heimdallr.
Nonetheless it is proof that a story concerning a hero born from nine waves existed in Celtic. Indeed, the story survives in Irish.
Let me continue…
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This comment ended up in the trash folder, why, oh, why???
Anyway, the number 9 is the number of the enlightened new human being, so I believe that the use of the number 9 has a spiritual meaning. In Danish sources it is assumed that this birth hints at a birth not in the normal way, but in the Holy Mary way (don’t know, what that’s in English) by spirit.
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That’s interesting, I’ve never heard of that sort of numerology stuff. Triads show up a lot in Celtic mythic structure. It would be cool if you wrote up a post on the Danish sources regarding interpretations on Heimdallr.
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Trinities are also classic. The Talmud is great on numerology, but certain numbers, 3, 9 and 12 are universally used, also in fairytales.
I am not sure that anybody except you would be interested in a post like that … 😉
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No it’d be a great post, you’d like it wouldn’t you? That’s what’s important.
Trinities are indeed classic – but do denote PIE mythological structures: a very early example is the Hindu Trimurti, but it is evidenced in Italic, Celtic, and Germanic as well. I do have a large set of comparanda for heroes metaphorically born of nine waves, but in general use a routine nine waves are described as a mystical measurement in Irish, but is also referenced in Welsh, three or nine waves as an idiomatic phrase in Irish meaning someone’s fate, etc.
But in regards the hypothetical kinship of Celtic narratives with Heimdallr, we have:
1. 10th c Irish synopsis.
2. 12th c Welsh story that is expanded version of item 1. Features hero with pre-Christian theonym [Lleu-Lugus].
3. 12th c Welsh poem, referencing birth of nine waves.
4. Another Irish textual [unsure of dating] narrative very similar to items 1 & 2.
Those are the primary texts that directly relate to the hero’s nativity in ‘nine waves’. I think it’s a substantial set of data ranging centuries, languages, literary traditions, and direct evidence linking the story to pre-Christin Celtic cults; there is further ~tangential~ MSS evidence as well. There’s clearly a common narrative at the back of them. I think it’s possible Heimdallr could be the flip-side of the Germanic/Celtic mythological coin. Yes/no?
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He might well be. I do not really believe the version with the nine giant women. The giants were children born of gods and humans, so they were not really godly. And they only were „made“ later on in earth history. I believe in the wave version. The giant version also contradicts the Danish idea that Heimdall is older than the gods, because the giants came after the gods.
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In the 10th c tract dubbed The Irish Ordeals, recounting the coronation of the legendary King Cormac, we are recounted with a list of the royal artifacts of state, including the torque of Morann. Regarding the history of this magical collar we are treated with a story: long ago, a son was born to the evil king of Ireland. The infant was born with a glob for a head. Disgusted, the wicked king ordered the child to be drowned. The heartbroken mother took her son to the sea to carry out the king’s decree, but was met on her way by the shadowy Tuath Dé [Ir., tribe of gods] who commanded her instead to dunk the child headfirst into 9 waves. When this was accomplished, the glob burst to reveal a beautiful and healthy boy. Overjoyed, the mother brought her child back to the royal court. When the wicked king noticed the baby he made inquiry about him, and the mother revealed it was the king’s own son, who would someday overcome him and save Ireland from his tyranny. ‘It is a trick you played on me!’ cried the evil king, thus the boy was anointed the name Morann.
There is a lot more to be said about all this. But I’m jotting it all down for a much fuller argument on my blog at some point. I’d love to hear your thoughts!
Btw, here’s Professor Crawford’s YouTube vid ->
I’m not associated with the professor in any way.
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It is a repetitive story, is it not, the prophecy that the son would kill the tyrant father, he tries to prevent it, but finally can’t, because it is destiny.
I can’t watch the video right now, and the autogenerated English subtitles are very weird indeed, 😉
Catching up later tonight.
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You are perceptive and absolutely correct that the ‘king’s prophesied death’ is a folkloric narrative type found the world over. I’d love to quote you at some point for my Culhwch ac Olwen series. The ‘king’s death’ isn’t what’s happening here, exactly. It’s a lengthy discussion but I’m more that happy to continue if you’d enjoy that.
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I have found something about Heindall on a Danish website, but I need to see the video first, in case he is saying exactly the same thing as is written on the website. So, later tonight it is.
I find these mythologies very interesting, especially the similarities …
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I have watched the video now. He has really done his homework, though I don’t agree with his theory that Heimdall could be Uller. To me the Danish theory that Heimdall existed before the aser and vaner, seems more probable … as far as one can talk about probable concerning mythology.
I give you a link to a folder on Dropbox with a document inside. It is text copied from the website I mentioned before, the English translation follows after the Danish text. There are just a few points that could complement the video: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/nrv48wkfgdooa1t/AACsiZQ3iq1aOM032v6PyUmWa?dl=0
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I had to look up the word „dweeb“. Why is that? As long as what we are doing or interested in makes us content and we don’t hurt anybody …
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Lol don’t mind me I love self effacing humor 🙃
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Better than the other way around, haha …
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